frankPodmore 1d ago • 100%
Like I've said, it's not a matter of owing her votes. I just think that you shouldn't use your vote in a way that will make things worse.
I've not ascribed any views to you beyind what you've said here, and I'd appreciate if you didn't do the same to me. I don't think you support Trump, but it is a fact that your current plans make a Trump win more likely. It's precisely because I don't believe you support Trump (and in particular what he'd do in Gaza) that I think you should reconsider that plan.
Anyway, we're going round in circles here. Unless you can show to me that voting for Stein will have something other than a wholly negative outcome for Gaza or anywhere else, I'm not going to change my view that it's a mistake for you to do so.
frankPodmore 2d ago • 75%
And if she doesn't, you'll use your vote to make things worse? As I say, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
frankPodmore 3d ago • 100%
In fairness to the guy, he has now responded.
frankPodmore 3d ago • 83%
I'm not assuming that you are inclined to vote for Harris - you've made it clear that you are not!
What I'm saying is that the course of action you're advocating (voting for Jill Stein) can only have the opposite outcome to the one you want (because it will lead to the election of Donald Trump and a still worse situation in the Middle East). This being the case, you should reconsider your course of action.
frankPodmore 3d ago • 100%
And just to add to your point: it's not hypothetical that Trump would destabilise the Middle East, because he actually did so in his first term by giving de facto recognition to Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and by unilaterally tanking the Iran deal in exchange for nothing. The current situation is already partially Trump's fault and, as you say, he will only make it worse if he wins.
frankPodmore 4d ago • 93%
Here's a member of the Stein campaign saying they know they can't win and want Harris to lose: 'We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic. We could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan.' This is straight from the Stein campaign. Not 'MSM Democrat propaganda' at all, but the Stein campaign itself acknowledging that they can't win and that what they mean by 'winning' is Harris losing - which entails Trump winning.
Again, you can blame anyone you like for this, but if you vote for Stein, the consequences for Gazans will be worse. To do so is, per your own values, nonsensical.
frankPodmore 4d ago • 89%
Jill Stein's platform is, explicitly, not to win but to cause Harris to lose. Harris losing means Trump winning. Trump winning will be even worse for Gaza (and Ukraine, the US, and the rest of the world).
If your red line is Gaza, but your refusal to cross that line will make things in Gaza worse, it is straightforwardly the case that your tactics are wrong. 'I cannot condone X, so I'm going to do something that can only make X even worse' is not a position you can hold.
frankPodmore 4d ago • 89%
Jill Stein's party is explicitly fighting to help Trump win. Stein is a pro-Trump spoiler. Voting for her is about the most self-defeating thing anyone who believes in democracy could do, short only of voting for Trump.
frankPodmore 6d ago • 100%
I put an archive link in the post! Here it is again.
frankPodmore 6d ago • 90%
If you'd like to keep voting at all, I'd suggest voting for the Democrats this time!
>Industrial strategy can accelerate growth and create good jobs, says TUC
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/14237802 > cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/14237801 > > > [Archive link](https://archive.is/tLpZ0). > > > > A ridiculous number of the recent posts to this sub are me trying to convince conservatives not to vote for Trump. Anyway, here are this guy’s reasons: >[The] Republican relationship to truth and knowledge has gone to hell. MAGA is a fever swamp of lies, conspiracy theories, and scorn for expertise. The Blue World, in contrast, is a place more amenable to disagreement, debate, and the energetic pursuit of truth. >I’ve come to appreciate the Democrats’ long-standing tradition of using a pragmatic imagination. I like being around people who know that it’s really hard to design policies that will help others but who have devoted their lives to doing it well […] Over the past four years, I’ve watched the Biden administration use pragmatic imagination to funnel money to parts of America that have long been left behind. >Another set of qualities now drawing me toward the Democrats: patriotism and regular Americanness. >But ultimately what’s pulling me away from the Republican Party and toward the Democrats is one final quality of Blue World: its greater ability to self-correct. Democrats, I’ve concluded, are better at scrutinizing, and conquering, their own shortcomings than Republicans are.
[Archive link](https://archive.is/tLpZ0). A ridiculous number of the recent posts to this sub are me trying to convince conservatives not to vote for Trump. Anyway, here are this guy's reasons: >[The] Republican relationship to truth and knowledge has gone to hell. MAGA is a fever swamp of lies, conspiracy theories, and scorn for expertise. The Blue World, in contrast, is a place more amenable to disagreement, debate, and the energetic pursuit of truth. >I’ve come to appreciate the Democrats’ long-standing tradition of using a pragmatic imagination. I like being around people who know that it’s really hard to design policies that will help others but who have devoted their lives to doing it well [...] Over the past four years, I’ve watched the Biden administration use pragmatic imagination to funnel money to parts of America that have long been left behind. >Another set of qualities now drawing me toward the Democrats: patriotism and regular Americanness. >But ultimately what’s pulling me away from the Republican Party and toward the Democrats is one final quality of Blue World: its greater ability to self-correct. Democrats, I’ve concluded, are better at scrutinizing, and conquering, their own shortcomings than Republicans are.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
Yes, even America's allies.
If everyone in America's prices go up, that's bad for the economy. That's what Trump is promising.
I don't need to explain to you the difference between someone staying where they are after their visa expires and an armed invasion of another country. The differences are manifest and anyone who says they don't see them is lying.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 80%
Only people who are being tariffed
Per Trump's plan, that's everyone.
The point of economic policy is to improve the economy (not the people)
This is completely backwards. There's no abstraction called the economy which doesn't involve people.
Cos some people would classify illegal immigrants as such so whats the difference?
Those people are wrong.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
Just a little bit, as a treat.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
If people can't trade with Americe, due to Trump's trade wars, they will become more reliant on the world's other major industrial exporter, which is China. It will do nothing to improve manfacturing elsewhere, including in the US. The point of economic policy is to make people wealthier. If it makes them poorer, which you seem to acknowledge it will, it's a bad policy.
Fighting an invading force is not ethnic cleansing. I don't know why you think it is.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
Stock markets do better under Democratic presidents, as a matter of fact, so if your main motivation is your stocks, you're better off with Harris.
Trump isn't promising a trade war with China, he's planning a trade war with the entire rest of the world. This will make many people poorer, but especially Americans, because the taxes he's proposing will be paid by Americans who rely on imported goods (which is pratically all of them, but especially the poorest). It will also make the rest of the world more reliant on China, so if that's your issue, you should be opposed to his plans in this area.
The ethnic cleansing is his plan for mass deportations, which themselves would constitute ethnic cleansing. Combined with his assertions that it doesn't matter if you're a legal immigrant, it's clear his plans would involve ethnic cleansing.
Hamas was democratically elected originally, but it never allowed another election, which is why Palestine is not a democracy any more.
There is in fact strong evidence that the Israelis are not happy with their government or its policies and do not support what it's doing. There is, in any case, more to democracy than just voting, and certainly more than having had a vote at some point in the past. 'Democracy', however defined, does not justify human rights atrocities.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
He had his flaws, no doubt, and being an enslaver was the biggest one. The article does cover this, however.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
He is promising a programme of economic recession, trade war, an end to the free press and ethnic cleansing. That's not how democracy works, it how it ends.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
it’s like you will look everywhere for the lies except for where the lies are actually coming from
This is the worst thing about conspiracy theorists. Like the car industry, for example, really is responsible for killing millions of people, more or less deliberately, and lying about it. But all the conspiracy theorists think more or less the opposite is the case: that there's this great big anti-car conspiracy out there somewhere.
frankPodmore 1w ago • 100%
What puzzles me is not so much the stuff they refuse to believe as the stuff they acknowledge he said and did, but then try to pretend doesn't matter.
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/14148802 > I'm not a conservative myself, but I defy any conservative intending to vote for Donald Trump to read this comparison of Washington and Trump, and to honestly tell themselves afterwards that that they believe in America and its ideals.
I'm not a conservative myself, but I defy any conservative intending to vote for Donald Trump to read this comparison of Washington and Trump, and to honestly tell themselves afterwards that that they believe in America and its ideals.
I'm sure similar things have been shared here before because I saw this and thought it was possibly the most solar punk thing possible. A 3D printer that: - Is solar powered - Is open source - Can be run using FOSS - Can use recycled plastic as its material - Can print most of its own parts, including the solar panel components
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/13549957 A conservative explaining why Trump and Vance's lies are indefensible.